Ding: Even if I was still 'in' at this point, after 49 YEARS of believeing the 'old' light way, my faith would be destroyed, or at lest shaken to the core to have the rug pulled out from under me.
Newly Enlightened
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New Light: That's what you call irony!
by Gorbatchov ini read a part of the new light in the april 15 study watchtower and got one conclusion: that's what you call irony!.
if we, readers of that magazine, said the same as written, before october 2012, it would lead to disfellowship.
if we were invited by a comite, and we would say the same, we would be disfellowshipped for live and for eternal life!!!!
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RC Church - Originated when ? Spiritually Strong Ones please.
by *lost* inbeen doing a bit of research trying to tie in together a few different strands.. not too sure what happened to christianity and how organised religion took hold again after the apostles died off.. i know jerusalem was sacked 70 ce.
but lots to fill in from that point onwards to bring us to where we are today.. if a few peeps could help to condense and simplify the info down into a few bite size pieces it would give us a starting point to begin to re-educate ourselves to the truth.
and fill in the blanks.
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Newly Enlightened
Not many people realize this, but when the Romans devastated Jerusalem, the Pharisees fled to ROME and set up their religion there and guess what it became?
Yep the RC church.
And Babylon the Great has been running rampant ever since. We're watching the documentary "Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings" You want to talk about enlightening. It's funny that most of the main religions in the world today, except the CC, Protestants etc, were all STARTED HERE IN THE U.S.A. [Mormon's, JW's, Etc]
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Bethel Brother's explanation to young mother as to WHY God would destroy children at armegeddon
by Newly Enlightened inback when we were still active in the cong.
we became friends with a young couple with 2 small kids.
they were newly baptized and wanting a better future for their kids.
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Newly Enlightened
Good comments! Maybe the WTBT$ feels like only the ones in Bethel's/HQ around the world are going to be saved at the big 'A'. Their translation fo the bible lets you know how they feel about kids. Every bible I've looked this up in says 'HE/HIM/CHILD'. This is what the NWT says.
MT 18:1-3 In that hour the disciples came near to Jesus and said: “Who really is greatest in the kingdom of the heavens?” 2 So, calling a young child to him, he set it in their midst 3 and said: “Truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU turn around and become as young children, YOU will by no means enter into the kingdom of the heavens.
Yep, IT.
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The CO 'encourages' Julia to meet with THREE elders- the latest episode in the best-selling drama, The Fade of Julia Orwell.
by Julia Orwell init was yesterday morning and hubby and i were having a huge sleep in.
it was just after ten, and with me being a bit flu-ey i was quite capable of staying in bed longer.
hubby was feeling it too, and we were pleasantly drifting in and out to the sounds of birds.. then suddenly, cloomp, cloomp, cloomp up the front stairs, then "rap-rap-rap" on the front screen door, that rapid-fire, strong knock of the practiced door-knocker.
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Newly Enlightened
Alright Julia! You would think they would get the hint!
I solved the FB problem with a few clicks. I 'unfriended' all that were still on there.
I have seen a CO get involved with a cong. problem that the local elders can't handle by themselves. Don' meet with them because the CO is only there to protect the cong. & elders. You will be done.
Hang in there Sis
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Bethel Brother's explanation to young mother as to WHY God would destroy children at armegeddon
by Newly Enlightened inback when we were still active in the cong.
we became friends with a young couple with 2 small kids.
they were newly baptized and wanting a better future for their kids.
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Newly Enlightened
Anyone that was a JW for any length of time, I'm sure has heard these idiotic things said from a cold & heartless cult.
They moved out of AZ years ago and I know the chances of her being on here with us is slim to 0 but.....
C.L if you are out there, just to let you know I was thinking of you today. If you are on here with us, PM me please.
NE
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Bethel Brother's explanation to young mother as to WHY God would destroy children at armegeddon
by Newly Enlightened inback when we were still active in the cong.
we became friends with a young couple with 2 small kids.
they were newly baptized and wanting a better future for their kids.
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Newly Enlightened
Excellent point! I wish I would have thought about that and asked that Bethel jerk!
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Bethel Brother's explanation to young mother as to WHY God would destroy children at armegeddon
by Newly Enlightened inback when we were still active in the cong.
we became friends with a young couple with 2 small kids.
they were newly baptized and wanting a better future for their kids.
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Back when we were still active in the cong. we became friends with a young couple with 2 small kids. They were newly baptized and wanting a better future for their kids. At one of our district conv. we had a brother come out from NY headquarters to give a talk. His talk was about our kids and how there was nothing out in the world for them and Satan just wanted them so he could chew them up, get out all of their youth and vitality then spit them out then Jehovah would have to destroy them at armegeddon. Very graphic and vivid to the young couple. We were standing and talking to them during the lunch break about the graphic talk when the Bethel brother came walking by. We stopped him and introduced ourselves. After several minutes the young mother bluntly asked the brother, "Your talk was kind of disturbing why is Jehovah going to destroy all the children when they're innocent?" I could tell by her shaky voice that this really bothered her.
Guess what the heartless bastard said?
"Well, when a lamb is born they are naturally humble and docile. Here in the Southwest you have rattlesnakes. If you take a baby rattlesnake when its first born and take it away from its mother, when it grows up, its still going to be a rattlesnake and it will still bite you and poison you. That's why Jehovah has to destroy the children also, because of their parents."
I saw the tears in the young mothers eyes and I wanted to smack him one for being a heartless a$$. We told her later when we were alone. "That unlike rattlesnakes that function on instinct, humans have the capacity for love, learning, knowledge and compassion. Jesus can read heart conditions so we can trust him to be a fair judge."
It's funny ironically, that when you learn TTATT, you start thinking back to all the idiotic things you heard & believed as a JW. You realize that you've grown beyond them and have become more HUMAN.
Peace & love to all
NE
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Did reading Jwfacts help you? Please take a moment to say thanks..
by The Quiet One init seems as though so many of the stories of people who are now mentally free that i read on here involved reading jwfacts.com at some point along the way.. he basically saved my sanity (questionable, i know!
), and was never as sensational and garish as other sites which immediately scared me away.
why not take a minute out of your day to say thanks for any difference that jwfacts made to your life, and tell us what it was that helped you?...
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Newly Enlightened
Thank you! I always direct people to their website!!! Even my doctor was curious about me leaving the JW's after 49 years and she was curious so I gave her the web-address.
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Will AAWA Become another cult?
by His Excellency inplease sorry for english, i have only been learning for 18 months.
everyone please think about it, and beware of any initiative designed to solve "a community problem".
becasue russel also started his own cult on a similar premise like this , claiming to have all the answers to issues whose solutions seems obscured to the majority in his days, and here we are today, constantly bashing our fingers on the keyboard in a bid to finding comfort from the mess he had put all of us into.
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Newly Enlightened
It's incorporated in Arizona. I lived there for a number of years, it's still the Wild West! Plus their incorporation tax laws seem to be a little more lenient.
Plus it doesn't claim to be a religion. It's trying to help people get out of religions.
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Judicial committee questions
by slimboyfat inwhen the elders invite someone to a judicial committee does the person under scrutiny have the right to ask beforehand what evidence will be adduced against him and what witnesses will be called?
in other words is there pre-trial disclosure within the watchtower's quasi legal process?
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Newly Enlightened
We just had a friend of ours go thru this. He wrote a letter asking for the accusation in writing, evidence against him and names of the accusers and gave a copy to each elder. They all destroyed them and he doesn't know what is going on now but one elder told him he has a bad attitude.
Funny thing about all of this, his crime was only having dinner with my husband who is technically still a JW in good standing. By the way, my mom in law has maliciously slandered all of us on hearsay. We know they have NO evidence. But that isn't stopping them.
I did talk to a lawyer regarding this and our civil rights guarantee that we know what we're being accused of and we're entitled to representation, even in a religious setting. Unfortunately most lawyers don't want to get into a religious issue. So technically our civil rights are being violated in this situation.
We wish you the best and hope your JC goes the way you want it to.